Is this where it all started ?

This was posted on another Pharmacist’s blog back in 2011.. reportedly this was written by a Pharmacist that worked in WAG’S central fill pharmacy in Florida. Back in 2008 +/- this concept they claimed was going to be their “future” … at least one serving every state/region. They got them up and running in FL and AZ and the expansion all came to an abrupt halt. As you read thru this, it should be easy to understand why they got fined 80 million.. and the DEA seem to find a whole new source of revenue for their coffers.

I worked in what is called the Pharmacy Care Center (PCC), which is a call center. The way it works is that, when someone calls a Walgreens store in Florida or Arizona, the call goes into a call bank where it first goes through a voice recognition automated system, then to a non-pharmacist staff member (called specialists) when the automated system does not suffice. Normally, that would be fine. That is what would happen in stores where technicians answer the phones. However, the people whom Walgreens hires for these jobs almost never have any pharmacy experience whatsoever. Walgreens is literally hiring people off the street. They do not understand, and, in many cases, lack the ability to understand how a pharmacy functions. The customers and doctors’ offices can quickly ascertain this incompetence. The calls that the specialists could not resolve were transferred to the pharmacists at POWER (on the other side of the room from the specialists). Usually, we were able to resolve the calls fairly easily. One example of that early on in my career there was that the specialist was unable to clarify for the customer the meaning of the phrase “1 refill remaining before 6/19/09” printed on a prescription label. For the calls we were unable to handle for whatever reason, we pharmacists transferred the calls to the store pharmacy directly. 

Now that you understand the workflow of the call center aspect of POWER, let me break down the problems that occur at each step. While the specialists are told that they are not to answer any questions the callers may have about their drugs, they frequently did anyway. If you click on the name of the drug, you can see its common uses; however, as is the case with several drugs (e.g. gabapentin, cholestyramine, amitriptyline), the FDA-approved use is in many cases not why the drug has been prescribed. Giving the callers misleading information results in panicked callers being transferred to the pharmacist queue where we had to calm them down and correctly educate them about their medications or panicked callers hanging up and calling their doctors. This problem is exacerbated by the fact Walgreens has these specialists answer the phone as follows: “Hello. This is the registered pharmacy technician (insert first name). How can I help you?” While that statement is true about their position, most people hear the word “registered” and think that the following word is always “pharmacist”. Some people do not listen closely and miss the part about technician. Others cannot discern the words after “registered” because the specialists slur them together so much (a product of answering hundreds of calls per day). This problem is annoying and troublesome, but there is a more serious issue at this step.

Here is where all you addicts should start paying attention:

When the caller wants a refill and cannot figure out how to request it online or on the automated phone system, they will speak with one of these specialists. They also tend to speak with one of the specialists if they know there is going to be an issue with the prescription (e.g. want to change from insurance to cash, pick up at different store, change quantity). The following scenario played out quite frequently. The caller wants to pick up his Lortab or Xanax refill but wants to pick it up at a different store in the area. The specialist, without looking at the last time the prescription was filled, processes the refill at a different store. The patient is then able to refill whatever prescription he wants extra early without anyone noticing because he is paying cash price. I saw many examples where this problem happened. The worst one was a customer who filled the same prescription (for Lortab 10/500 quantity of 240) 5 times in 5 days at 5 different Walgreens stores. (Yes, you can transfer a controlled substance prescription more than once if all the pharmacies have a shared database.) What made that example so much worse was that the authorized refills on that prescription were authorized by a specialist, and the “original” prescription was a bogus verbal prescription (I called the doctor to check on it) taken by one of the pharmacists at the call center.

Got that? It’s way easier to phone in a fake prescription when the pharmacist isn’t familiar with the community, and way easier to get early refills when the person processing them isn’t even a pharmacist.

It becomes really hard for the call center pharmacists to even investigate prescriptions we believe might be fraudulent because that means not taking incoming calls for a few minutes in order to call the doctors’ offices and the local Walgreens pharmacy. Everytime we stopped taking calls for any reason, the non-pharmacist managers would start getting on our case. The senior group manager of our department publicly called such time shrinkage. Having worked in retail, I know the term “shrinkage” means stealing the company’s resources, either by the customers or employees. These non-pharmacist managers just wanted us to take calls and get the callers off the phone within the target time of 1 minute and 55 seconds. Therefore, many pharmacists at the call center did not even investigate the validity of any prescription so as to avoid trouble.

Seriously, you addicts should go back and read those last couple paragraphs again. And thank the God of controlled substances a Walgreen’s manager invented the concept of “time shrinkage”

The other problem at the call center pharmacist step came with taking new verbal prescriptions (legitimate ones). At first, we just wrote them up by hand. Then a specialist would walk around, pick up these paper prescriptions, and scan them into the patient’s profile. Then the prescription would go through the Central Utility Department. This department types and verifies new prescriptions. Therefore, these new prescriptions that we had taken would be typed up by a specialist and then verified by a pharmacist in that department. About a year after I started working at POWER, they stopped having us write the prescriptions by hand, and instead we just inputted them ourselves directly into the computer. The next step after we inputted the prescription was clinical review, or, in some cases where clinical review did not apply to the prescription, it went directly to the store to be filled. This change most definitely saved time, but it removed that additional safeguard of having a couple of different people look at the prescription to prevent careless errors (e.g. it would be easy to acidentally pick Abilify 20 mg instead of Abilify 2 mg because they are right next to each other on the scroll down tab). 

As for the store pharmacy staff, the final step in the call center chain, there are a couple of major problems. The first problem is that, due to the implementation of POWER, staffing levels in the store (pharmacy and non-pharmacy) were drastically reduced.

Wait…..I’m a little confused. Walgreens said the goal was to give store pharmacists time to do medication therapy management. How can they do this with drastically reduced staff? I don’t understand. Maybe because I didn’t go to business school. Or because I’m not a liar.

When a call is transferred to the pharmacy, very often there is only 1 pharmacist with 1 or 0 technicians working. That pharmacist is handling all the problems of the customers in the store and cannot pick up the phone. After a specified number of rings, the call will be terminated. If someone in the pharmacy miraculously picks up the phone, typically the pharmacy staff member will ask the caller to hold. After a specified number of minutes of holding, the call is terminated. When the call becomes disconnected by one of the previously described processes, the caller becomes irate and has to actually go to the store for service.

Sweet. So basically an integral part of POWER would seem to be hanging up on customers when you can’t get to the phone.

The other larger problem comes in the prescription filling process. When there is a technician working, the technician does all the filling, and the pharmacist just stands at the cash register to sell prescriptions. Supposedly, the pharmacist is to verify prescriptions by comparing the image of the dosage form printed on the leaflet to what is actually in the prescription bottle. In many cases though, that does not happen. One reason is that the prescription is for a liquid. There is no way that can be verified because there is no image and the technicians are told to never put the stock bottle next to the bag. All the pharmacist ever receives is the plastic Ziploc bag with the labeled prescription bottle and the leaflet. Another reason is that the store pharmacy staff is so rushed due to under-staffing that they do not have time for this visual verification. The store pharmacist feels that the NDC number matched up or the label would not have been printed or however he or she rationalizes not visually verifying the prescription. I know Walgreens will state that this error is on the individual pharmacist, but the company created that environment due to its own staffing levels.

But wait…..there’s more…….

My understanding of pharmacy law as it pertains to the pharmacist-technician relationship is that the technicians are to be under the supervision of a pharmacist. At the call center, there are technicians (or specialists as I call them) and pharmacists working in the room. However, the pharmacists are busy with their own calls and are not supervising the technicians. There are quality analysts listening in on the calls. However, they do not listen to all the calls, and, even if they did, these quality analysts are not pharmacists. I submit that these technicians are working without pharmacist supervision, a violation of the Florida Pharmacy Act (and probably of the pharmacy laws of any other state). Walgreens has its own representative at the Florida Board of Pharmacy. That situation seems like a conflict of interest to me and enables the company to get away with such violations. However, even still, when POWER management learns that the Board is coming to inspect, they move some of the pharmacists over to where the specialists work in order to give the illusion of supervision. Even if that enabled pharmacist supervision (which it does not because we all wear headsets and have too many of our own calls to monitor anyone else’s performance), that is not how POWER typically operates. With the exception of visits from the Board or from corporate, the specialists and pharmacists do not sit together.

“Well at least Walgreen’s never tried to have technicians do the type of work that the law says can only be done by a pharmacist” you may be saying.

And you would be wrong:

Another legality issue that arose during my time there was the issue of transfers. Each day, management would designate 1 or 2 pharmacists to do incoming transfers. Those pharmacists would not take incoming phone calls during their shifts. They would just call competitors for prescription transfers. Even still, there were so many transfer requests that they were always behind. To remedy this situation, management came up with the idea of having technicians call to get transfers, recording the phone call, and then having a pharmacist listen to the call and compare it to what was written up for accuracy. This program was eventually scrapped because there were not many of the call center pharmacists who were willing to participate. Also, many of the pharmacists for the competitors called the Board to complain about it. Much like the other legal issue, the reason that this issue even arose was a result of non-pharmacist management’s desperate attempts to save money any way possible. They did not want to pay pharmacists to be monitoring the specialists’ phone calls (because then those pharmacists would not be taking incoming phone calls themselves), and they did not want to use more pharmacists to do the prescription transfers (because then that would take too many pharmacists away from answering calls). They did not care what laws they broke in their quest to save money.

I’ll repeat that last line again, in case you were just skimming that last paragraph:

“They did not care what laws they broke in their quest to save money.”

Except I’m sure Deep Pill really meant “In their quest to give pharmacists more time to do medication therapy management”

And finally, this is who is deciding the future of your profession:

There are some pharmacists in upper management at POWER; however, the vast majority of management are not pharmacists, and, in fact, they have never even worked in a pharmacy. For example, the senior group manager to whom I alluded earlier was a call center manager at Sprint.

So they can’t even sell out the future of pharmacy to managers of GOOD businesses. I’m sure it’s not news to most of you that Sprint sucks.

Generally speaking, the non-pharmacist management there treated the business as if we were selling aluminum siding rather than drugs. I have seen other companies start to emulate Walgreens’ POWER model, and I would like to see POWER have its plug pulled by the Board of Pharmacy so that this disease does not infect the entire pharmacy world.

8 Responses

  1. Walgreens has problems. I know that the pharmacist in Franklin Tennessee lied to me by looking at my prescription for 14 pain pills and immediately said that he didn’t have it. I told him that he had the medication 15 minutes earlier when the doctor called. The prescription was then filled with the medication that they did not have. Quality of staff depends upon adequate salaries, common sense supervision and enough staff to do the job correctly and quickly. Practices like Steve describes makes me feel lucky that they discriminate and lost my business.
    Their mistakes could be deadly.

  2. Steve,
    I am unhappy, but I am really confused about how these nurses can be under the general supervision of a practitioner.

  3. StopGooglingMe – With such animosity towards Steve and with such strong feelings, why are you still following his blog? Steve has always advocated for the law which, although you don’t understand, includes filling legitimate pain prescriptions for legitimate pain patients – big difference than what you are stating! And, in case you didn’t catch it, Steve pointed out how Walgreens system allowed addicts to get early fills! Steve is doing a great service to the pain community and is not advocating anything outside of the law but the totally opposite – which, obviously, is why he posted the article. He is not the one living in the fantasy world but maybe? I sure hope you are not a pharmacist! As you stated “unfortunately” there are laws but Steve has always advocated laws need to be followed – including legitimate pain prescriptions for legitimate pain patients! Also, “sarcastically” you say “I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this dosing” – when did you get your degree in pain management? I sincerely hope nothing ever happens to you that you have to walk one day in their shoes!

  4. It sure does sound like Walgreens made a ton of mistakes and made their own bed to lie on, ALL by it’s self ! It wasn’t doctors fault. It was lax business policies and lousy management for the fines they got. Steve definitely doesn’t support addicts to abuse drugs so no way… that wouldn’t be his fantasy pharmacy! No need for disrespect here. Pharmacies need be taking care of ALL patients like they should, but they certainly aren’t!!. Steve cares about the legitimate pain patients who should be getting their legal, medically necessary, on time prescriptions filled like patients with other disease states do..
    By the way,.. Most of the pill mills didn’t even use pharmacy services here in Florida! They just handed bags full of pill bottles directly to the patient upon leaving the rogue doctor office. So blaming patients for WAGS problems is wrong. Walgreens sounds as though it got just what it deserved. I hope they go out business! CVS too!

  5. “The worst one was a customer who filled the same prescription (for Lortab 10/500 quantity of 240) 5 times in 5 days at 5 different Walgreens stores.”

    This sounds like Steve’s fantasy pharmacy! No questions asked, pharmacist just fill the prescription. I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this dosing, at least in Steve’s fantasy world.

    Unfortunately there are laws that dictate pharmacy practice. Laws that computer programmer and retail reject Steve would like us to ignore.

    • stop googling me,

      I can see that you must be one of the pharmacists that refuse to fill legitimate prescriptions because you don’t want to spend the time calling the prescriber for verification. Well that is part of your job and if you don’t want to do it then find another place to work. Insulting a person like Steve who is taking incredible abuse from his colleagues is not in any way productive or in any way fair. Steve is a legitimate pharmacist and from what I can see is doing everything he can to keep us all informed on what is going on in pharmacy matters. Enough about your baseless assault on legitimate pharmacists. My post here is from a recent observation in a Walgreens pharmacy. While visiting a South Florida Walgreens recently, I found a sign explaining the new program with medical clinics operating in the stores. It seems to me that Walgreen’s is operating these clinics by ARNP’s (advanced registered nurse practitioners) and they pretty much perform the majority of functions which physicians used to provide. I wondered why a nurse is able to perform these functions so I looked up what a nurse practitioner was allowed to do under Florida law. I am not going to enter this foray by discussing specific functions a nurse is permitted to do, but I am concerned that Florida law does state in the 2014 statutes chapter 464.003(2), that all categories of nurses shall operate under the general supervision of medical practitioners listed in chapters 458, 459, and 466. Before I was disabled I obtained a license to perform HVAC work while under the regulation of the Florida Department of Professional Regulation. My license also required that anyone I hired to perform HVAC work must be under the immediate direction, control, and supervision of a licensed professional in that industry. I was involved a few times with sub-contractors filing for unemployment compensation and was required to fill out a very detailed form with several pages to determine whether that person was and employee eligible for compensation or an independent contractor not eligible. The questions of this form made it impossible to conclude that a person I hired to perform HVAC work could do so without me being present with them every day supervising almost every detail of this work. A person determined to be an independent contractor must perform the work pretty much on their own without me establishing work hours, work schedules, pricing, and many other functions which determine that such a person is operating without my direction, control, or supervision. I do not know if this is the same type of distinction made by Florida law when considering whether or not a nurse is under the general supervision of a medical practitioner in chapters 458,459, and 466. However, I cannot see any way a nurse in a remote Walgreen’s store without the presence of a medical practitioner (as defined in FS 458,459, and 466) could possibly meet the requirements of being under the general supervision of such a medical practitioner. If so what would happen if the alleged supervisor disagreed with the medical treatment provided by one of these nurses? Obviously, if the nurse is under general supervision of such a practitioner then the practitioner would have the final say, but that would be hard to do for a physician that has no way to physically evaluate the patient. IMO Walgreen’s is stretching the laws in Florida to allow nurses to operate these clinics without a physician present. I do understand that many nurses in hospitals, clinics, and offices do most of the same functions as a physician, but they have a doctor in the same building that can examine any patients which the nurse is not sure about. This is the proper way to utilize nurses under the general supervision of a medical practitioner. I would never recommend the use of a clinic without a doctor present to anyone for several reasons. In addition to the supervision issue there is a liability issue here. If the nurse at a Walgreen’s improperly provides a diagnosis who is liable the nurse or the doctor supervising? I think it may be difficult to prove negligence by a supervising doctor who never sees the patient or is never given any details of the patient’s condition. Another issue is that many medications cannot be prescribed by nurses and if the patient needs those types of medications how does he/she get them without going to another practitioner? Additionally, many insurance plans stipulate payments will be made to the physician providers specifically so the terms of many plans would have to change to permit payment to a clinic without a doctor present. I expect responses to my post stating that nurses have been doing it all for years in hospital environments, this may be true, but those nurses always have a supervising doctor available, this is not the case in a Walgreens. I am really concerned about this and would really like to hear from someone who can answer my concerns.

    • Why the snarky comment about Steve? Because he has compassion for people in chronic pain and believes they should have access to the medications that make their life somewhat bearable. I have RSD in my left foot and lower leg. It causes unbearable neuropathic pain. I would get the leg amputated if that would did me of this pain. If people like you had to experience this type of pain for a mere 24 hours you would be singing a very different tune. People would not let an animal suffer like chronic pain patients are made to suffer. It is hard enough to find a doctor willing to treat people like me because they fear the DEA charging them unjustly as drug traffickers, getting their assets frozen, loosing their medical license and facing prison time. The DEA controls the quantity of narcotic medications that get produced and sets the quantity of how much a pharmacy can order per month. The DEA is not a doctor specializing in pain management! But they are able to do all these things to make it difficult to impossible to get adequate pain relief. I’ve had this disease for 5 years now. It was before this DEA crackdown. I was prescribed an adequate dosage at that time. Now no doctor will prescribe the dosage I took 5 years ago. In fact I’m given 35% of what I used to take. We all know due to the buildup of tolerance the dose will need to be increased from time to time. Not happening now. So imagine looking high and low for a pain management doctor and you find one who will write you an RX for pain meds but the dose is too low to help you much at all. Then with RX in hand you go on the pharmacy crawl trying to get it filled. Some months after going to 20+ pharmacies you get them filled. Next month you can’t find them anywhere and then you are sick in withdrawals for a week or more. Does this sound humane to you?

      People get their panties all in a bunch about people taking opiates for fun. I don’t condone that but now the “cure” for fighting the opiate abuse problem is worse than the original problem!!! Those who were taking the pills for fun, most have moved up to heroin. So overdose rates are down for opiates……good job DEA right? Not so fast. Heroin overdose rates have increased significantly. People in chronic pain are really suffering. Many can’t take the pain anymore and end up taking their lives. Between the last week of December and first week of January 3 people in my support group took their lives. No one counts those deaths. RSD is nicknamed the suicide disease for a reason. On the list of top ten most horrifying diseases RSD came in at number 6. RSD is near the top of the list for 10 most painful diseases.

      Happy and healthy new year to you! Yeah, isn’t Walgreens at the corner of Happy and Healthy?

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